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Rudy Giuliani had yet another of his limited hangout meltdowns on CNN last night. (This thread has the best summary I’ve seen until CNN posts a transcript.) In it, Rudy significantly moved his previous goalposts on “collusion,” by claiming that he had never said no one on the campaign had “colluded,” he had only made such claims about the President.

Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that he never denied President Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign, only that the President himself was not involved in collusion.

In an interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo on “Cuomo Prime Time,” Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Trump’s attorney, said he doesn’t know if other people in the campaign, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, were working with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential race.

“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign,” Giuliani said.

He added, “I said the President of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC.”

In this clip, Rudy even says, “I have no idea — never have — what other people were doing.”

Except he did — or claimed he did. Rudy has claimed over and over again that he’s sure the President is not at any risk of being charged with “collusion” because he knows what all of the critical witnesses — who are all in a Joint Defense Agreement with the President — told Mueller.

GIULIANI: Well, I have a pretty good idea because I have seen all the documents that they have. We have debriefed all their witnesses. And we have pressed them numerous times.

BASH: You have debriefed all of their witnesses?

GIULIANI: Well, I think so, I mean, the ones that were — the ones that were involved in the joint defense agreement, which constitutes all the critical ones.

That’s actually not true. Rick Gates was reportedly never part of a JDA. Mike Flynn famously pulled out of it to turn state’s evidence. Don McGahn apparently didn’t share all the details of his 30 hours of interviews with Mueller’s team.

But it is true with respect to one person: Paul Manafort. Hell, even after Manafort flipped, his lawyer continued to brief Rudy about what was said and Rudy based certain defense strategy decisions — most notably whether and how to answer Mueller’s questionnaire for the President — on what he heard from Manafort’s lawyer Kevin Downing.

Rudy says he never learned that Manafort had shared campaign polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik until Manafort’s lawyers “accidentally” failed to redact that detail a few weeks ago (in fact, Rudy hilariously blames that revelation on a leak). Yet he was getting briefed on what Manafort was saying — he was in a Joint Defense Agreement!! — during the entire period when Manafort was lying about sharing polling data with Kilimnik.

Rudy insists that, even if Manafort “colluded,” the President did not. And yet, the President was in — remains in, as far as we know — a Joint Defense Agreement with this guy that Rudy now concedes may have “colluded” during the election.

As I disclosed last July, I provided information to the FBI on issues related to the Mueller investigation, so I’m going to include disclosure statements on Mueller investigation posts from here on out. I will include the disclosure whether or not the stuff I shared with the FBI pertains to the subject of the post.

Citations

[1]Why Is Trump in a Joint Defense Agreement with Manafort If Rudy Concedes Manafort May Have "Colluded"? | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/17/why-is-trump-in-a-joint-defense-agreement-with-manafort-if-rudy-concedes-manafort-may-have-colluded/[2]Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "GIULIANI: Mueller's investigation is over enough CUOMO: We just learned Trump's campaign chairman gave campaign data to Russians! GIULIANI: We don't need Mueller to investigate a campaign chairman!... Manafort just did white collar crimes.… https://t.co/tnOIwpmtDI" .... https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1085738502413639680/video/1[3]Rudy Giuliani says Trump didn't collude with Russia but can't say if campaign aides did - CNNPolitics .... https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-cnntv/index.html[4]Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "CUOMO: Why did Trump try to conceal notes about meetings w/Putin? GIULIANI: He has right to confidentiality C: In this context? G: If collusion happened, it happened long time ago. It didn't. C: Manafort? G: I don't know about him C: He ran the campaign! G: Trump wasn't involved… https://t.co/QMNGvM2loY" .... https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1085737409227182080[5]CNN.com - Transcripts .... http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1807/08/sotu.01.html[6]Who Is Paying Kevin Downing's Bills to Serve as Trump's Mole? | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/10/24/who-is-paying-kevin-downings-bills-to-serve-as-trumps-mole/[7]The Manafort Election Season Lying Bonanza Stall | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/12/07/the-manafort-election-season-lying-bonanza-stall/[8]Manafort's Redaction Fail Tells Trump that Mueller Caught Him Lying about His Russian Handler, Konstantin Kilimnik | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/08/manaforts-redaction-fail-tells-trump-that-mueller-caught-him-lying-about-his-russian-handler-konstantin-kilimnik/[9]Putting a Face (Mine) to the Risks Posed by GOP Games on Mueller Investigation | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/03/putting-a-face-mine-to-the-risks-posed-by-gop-games-on-mueller-investigation/[10]Why Is Trump in a Joint Defense Agreement with Manafort If Rudy Concedes Manafort May Have "Colluded"? | emptywheel .... https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/17/why-is-trump-in-a-joint-defense-agreement-with-manafort-if-rudy-concedes-manafort-may-have-colluded/